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Stimulus bill thoughts

January 11th 2009 05:23
It seems inevitable at this point that the new Congress will pass -- and Obama will sign -- a financial stimulus bill nearing $1 trillion. As a fiscal conservative, I don't like huge spending bills. However, we have to have some type of meaningful intervention in what is a stagnant and moribund economy. Is this the solution? I seriously doubt it. The $700 billion TARP bill from last year certainly hasn't helped much (if at all) at this point. Still, it looks like the stimulus bill will happen. With that in mind, here are two questions I have about the bill:

(1) How will Obama ensure that the 3 million jobs created will go to Americans and not to illegal aliens? The recent slowdown in construction has caused the number of illegal immigrants to go down in the US as jobs dried up and some illegal aliens returned to their home countries. With Obama promising to spend a lot of the stimulus money on infrastructure projects, how will he make sure that the jobs created by the enormous expenditure of American tax dollars actually go to Americans? Unemployment has been rising and Americans need those jobs. I hope that the authors of the bill remember this and put the American people first for a change.

(2) Why can't some of the money be used for non-construction projects? All I've heard about are "shovel-ready" projects. Those would, in theory, help create blue-collar jobs. Yes, blue-collar workers are hurting, but so are white-collar workers. Allocating at least a portion of that money to projects that would employ American white-collar workers (such as software projects or consulting-related projects) would provide relief across the board.

Again, I'm not remotely convinced that the stimulus bill is the best (or even a good) solution to get the economy going again. However, if the bill is going to go through, let's make sure that it directly benefits American workers -- and ONLY American workers -- of all stripes.

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Comment by S.L.

January 11th 2009 13:44
Excellent questions, PopCon and I share your concerns.

With his usual deftness, B.O. (B.S.) will make sure that no "illegal aliens" get any of the jobs. He'll just keep calling them undocumented Americans and solve the problem.

Concerning the blue-collar/white-collar issue, I don't think he has any experience with actual blue-collar workers, but he seems to like the sound of the term. The white collar jobs probably won't get much help from him because they might represent "big business" in some way. Remember, PopCon, when there is no substance, he must rely on semantics.

Comment by Lester Caudill

January 11th 2009 14:22
Hey PopulistConservative you make some very good points. All Americans need help now not just one segment of the work force. I just feel that this stimulus package is going to be the larges pork barrel spending ever done in history.

We still don't know where all the 700 billion went as no one is accountable to tell. Is it stuck in the the pipeline or in someones pocket.

Comment by PopulistConservative

January 11th 2009 21:00
SL, the simple solution to the issue of whether the jobs go to Americans is e-Verify. It works like gangbusters and is 99.6% effective. That's why the open borders groups are trying to kill it. I called my Senators and Congressman (all Republicans) and suggested they raise this issue. It could, for a change, make them look good in the eyes of American workers if they simply demand that these jobs go to Americans. If nothing else, it would put the Dems on the spot and make them look like they were trying to preserve the jobs for illegal aliens.

Comment by S.L.

January 11th 2009 21:04
It's a good idea, PpopCon, but the Dems and B.O. (B.S.) want open borders, so it might never be used. The whole liberal bunch doesn't do much to inspire confidence, do they??

Comment by PopulistConservative

January 11th 2009 21:06
Obama and Biden and even Pelosi have said that there won't be any earmarks in the bill, Lester, but I do think there will be plenty of non-critical projects (silly museums or repaving tennis courts or other nonsense). So even with no earmarks, I'm sure there will be lots of pork in the bill.

I'm sick over the $700B and the lack of accountability. I knew when they were discussing it that they needed accountability. However, Henry Paulson (a miserable failure as Treasury Secretary) didn't want constraints because he feared that banks wouldn't take the money if it had conditions on it. That was a ridiculous argument. He's just another shill for the failed Wall Street mentality.

Comment by PopulistConservative

January 11th 2009 21:17
The idiotic open borders crowd claims that since 0.04% of people get inaccurately labeled as non-residents by e-Verify, the tool shouldn't be used to screen workers. That's stupid. An effective rate of 99.6% is probably higher than any other government system we have. They just hate it because it WORKS. And they are constantly buzzing in the ear of politicians that the legislature needs to kill the program.

It's not just Dems, though, SL. Our esteemed president said just yesterday that his biggest regret as president was that he didn't pass immigration reform. His immigration reform bill was a de facto open borders bill and it would've put almost all the illegal aliens here now on a path to citizenship. And one of McCain's first calls after losing the presidency was to Harry Reid. In that call, they agreed to work together on immigration reform (i.e., the same atrocious bill). Both parties have sold us out on this. There are a few people on the right side on this issue (Jim DeMint, Tom Coburn, Jeff Sessions. Byron Dorgan), but they are outnumbered by the open borders and globalization morons who won't be happy until our standard of living matches that of Mexico and China and India.

Comment by S.L.

January 11th 2009 21:42
Good points, PopCon. I have been very disappointed in the Prez., McCain and others who don't seem to understand the threat we are living under. They appear to hold on to a pretty fantasy that all illegal aliens are good, decent people who just want better lives for themselves and their children. That isn't the case anymore. We get an overload of illegal alien criminals, terrorists and wannabe welfare recipients. When Oklahoma put a stop to illegals, they left and flooded other states. If every state acted accordingly, we wouldn't have the problem at all. B.O. plans to open our borders to everyone (and anyone) who wants in. He has made it clear. Our sovereignty clearly means nothing to him. He wants to be "president of the world" not the USA.

Comment by Lester Caudill

January 12th 2009 00:32
If we would stop paying housing for illegal aliens maybe some of them would go home. It's a fact that most of the people living in government housing are illegals.

Comment by PopulistConservative

January 12th 2009 00:49
The costs of illegal aliens are enormous throughout our economy. I read that it costs around $8K/year for public schooling for one child. A family of three children is already using $24K right there. You have the additional cost associated with illegal aliens in prisons. You have the cost of public housing (as you said) and other services. And how about the mortgage crisis? How many of those failed mortgages were held by illegal aliens who just walked away when the mortgage went underwater? When an illegal alien has a child here, that child becomes a US citizen. And, as a result, Medicaid can be used for that delivery. It just goes on and on.

I understand people wanting to better their lives, but the way to do it isn't to violate another country's immigration (and other) laws. And, I'm sorry, but we just can't take everyone who wants to come here. Our welfare system (which included all the expenses listed above and more) will implode.

Illegal immigration is just the flipside of job offshoring. Companies send whatever jobs they can overseas and they bring in cheap (usually illegal) labor to do the jobs that can't be sent overseas -- and our government incentivizes both actions. It's just unconscionable and the race to the bottom is, I fear, irreversible.

Comment by Randy Inman

January 15th 2009 01:39
That money needs to go towards creating long term jobs not just ones that last long enough to get people off his back. Nice work on the article!

Comment by PopulistConservative

January 15th 2009 02:22
That's true, Randy. Those "shovel-ready" jobs will have a finite end. We need sustainable industries.

I do see some promise in the notion of "green" jobs. If we could find some type of replacement for foreign oil and employ Americans at the same time, that'd be great.

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